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Country Cottage
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Country Cottage
Description: Thought it was about time I rendered another image. This is actually an old render from around 12 months ago that I thought I'd have another fiddle with seeing that I couldn't get inspired to try something new! By the way the cottage is one of Meski's.

I do have another render with an extra radial but in the end I preferred it without any extra light - maybe that's just me, but anyway.....LOL.
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Date: 07.31.2009 18:50
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Horo
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It looks like a painting. The dog near the house is quite a huge hound. The gees also look a bit on the large side comparing with the dog in the foreground. The path looks just great.

I don't know why, but when I looked at the thumbnail, I was sure it was by you. You have a certain style which I find very charming.
07.31.2009 20:59 Offline Horo h.-r.h.wernli at bluewin.ch https://www.horo.ch/
richter
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Charming indeed, JoAJ! I like it too, though I miss some shadow saturation and I think you should remove the ambient glow from the materials everywhere. It neutralizes the shadows even further.
08.01.2009 01:04 Offline richter richter at cold-may.com
JoAJ
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Horo, thanks for your comments, I think I'm in danger of producing just "chocolate box" type images if I'm not careful!! LOL.

Yeah, the geese are a bit on the large size and I'm reducing the size now. As for the dog by the door - well, he's a large dog because the bigger the dog the better I like them. LOL.

Richter, thank to you also. Um...not exactly sure about the ambient glow, most of the materials only have 1.6ambience by the looks of them, however I'm reducing that to zero on the leaves and one or two other things but it doesn't seem to be making much if any difference so maybe I've misunderstood you - so any other suggestions as to how to saturate the shadows some more would be most welcome.

Jo.
08.01.2009 05:52 Offline JoAJ
rashadcarter1
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Very nice composition JoAJ. I too feel a unity within your work that is highly specific to you as an artist. It feels more like a painting than anything. Nice color choices generally.

On the lighting, I do have a couple of questions. The first question is. How was the scene lit? Is it IBL?

I ask because the light itself is not the problem, merely the shadows. The lack of shadows leads to a lack of understanding of the light for me as a viewer. Sometimes, certain sky presets have shadow intensity set too low. if you are using a uniform hdri to light the scene then you can go ahead and raise shadows up to 90%, as you do not need to cheat the light spread with too light shadows, you have enough real lights working for you. I feel certain the issue is in the skylab shadow settings. Increase the sjadow depth and the image will feel more 3d, if that is the direction you want to go in.

If it was not lit IBL, then more detail from you would be great.
08.01.2009 10:06 Offline rashadcarter1 rashadcarter1 at aol.com
richter
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Well, the image is overall a bit on the pale side, that is why I thought the ambient channel was the issue. Obviously that's not the case. So in order to get the shadows dark enough:

(1) if you're using the default sun to light your scene then in the SkyLab for Sun/Moon shadows enter values between 75% ~ 90%
(2) if you're using a single Radial Light to light your scene then in the LightLab make the color of the shadow ambience black and scrub the bar again between 75% and 90%, even a 100

(1) or (2) should do the trick for the shadows. If that doesn't help as much, then make sure that if any secondary radials are present - lower their intensity to 1 or close to that so they're not adding too much to the main light source's intensity.

And finally (3) - whatever you create, whenever you create it, Always make sure to Turn Off the Gamma Correction option. I believe this might have caused the overall paleness of the image. I hope this helps you, JoAJ.
08.01.2009 10:29 Offline richter richter at cold-may.com
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Great job Jo
08.01.2009 15:09 Offline bullit35744 https://sites.google.com/site/bullit35744
JoAJ
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Rashad, thanks for you comments and suggestions, and no, there's no IBL As I mentioned this is an old render that I decided to play with and it's one of Meski's houses. Obviously there are radials in the house but I couldn't find them until I basically pulled the whole house to bits - anyway there are actually 6 radials and apart from the sky that's all the lighting in the render. Not even sure what sky it is, I did try all sorts of different skies but preferred this one for some reason. LOL.

By the way, the sky isn't linked to the view, I didn't like the look of it when it was. It does make the shadows show up better if I do as suggested by both you and Richter and increase the shadows in the sky lab, they were right down to 34% so I'm fiddling around with different settings at the moment, 50% is a bit better 75% makes things a bit darker than I like perhaps.

Richter, I also tried turning off the Gamma - must admit I've never ever turned it off before, it made the whole render very dark so now I've popped in another couple of large radials, it hasn't finished rendering but I feel everything looks too harsh or something - mind you, I won't really be able to tell until it's finished doing it's thing - whenever that will be!

Again, thanks so much for commenting - I really appreciate you taking the time.

Jo.
08.02.2009 07:17 Offline JoAJ
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Very wise JoAJ! Richter was right to point out Gamma correction, it is far too overpowering in Bryce. As Horo says, it is best to adjust gamma in a post app with much more conrol. Believe it or not, the darkness you see now is correct, it displays the true colors of your render. Usually, you will need to double the intensity of your lights to match the brightness you had before.

Having colors render accurately is essential, especially when you use photo textures, it is nice to know how they will look in the final render without the gamma over exposure.

I knew the shadow setting in the sky lab was too low. Good to see you raise it up a bit. Between the gamma correction and the shadow setting changes the render should be showing much more 3 dimensionality, due to higher contrasts between light and dark. You have alot of consider for the next version of this render.

Gamma correction is on by default every time you open the standard scene with that awfuly fake purple sky. What Horo suggest is that you set up a scene as you wan tit with gamma off, and save that scene into the C drive Bryce folder as "default". From now on, when you load Bryce it will open the scene you saved as default, instead of the other default. It is too easy to forget to alter these settings so saving a "default" will speed up the process.
08.02.2009 17:07 Offline rashadcarter1 rashadcarter1 at aol.com
JoAJ
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Rashad, to my knowledge I've never unchecked the gamma in Bryce - makes me feel as though I should go back and re-render every single scene I've ever done - not that I will, far too much trouble! I had to stop messing around with this render but will no doubt have another fiddle with it later on because so far I don't honestly like the result - more tweaking needed obviously.
08.02.2009 23:24 Offline JoAJ
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Very nice and cool picture

Vraiment tr?s r?ussie.

La douceur dans l'atmosph?re nous rend attachante cette sc?ne campagnarde comme dans les temps anciens.

Et belle bagnole aussi.
08.04.2009 21:43 Offline Muaddid francoeurdominic at gmail.com http://muaddid.jimdo.com/


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