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Cockscomb Ridge
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Cockscomb Ridge
Description: This is a picture of Cockscomb Ridge in Utah that a friend sent it so I thought I would us it for this scene. The horses are from Daz and the Eagle. The main idea was to try to get the backdrop to look good. I used PS to touch up the horses.
Added by: Render Man
Keywords: Utah, horses, landscape
Date: 04.25.2008 01:26
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FoxBoy
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Join Date: 04.08.2005
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If thats not a photo, then you just slaped it sliily. Great work! If it is, still good work. The only trouble with animals is fur. It seems hard to have the fur stand out right. Still, it looks welll done. A happy 4/5
04.25.2008 04:11 Offline FoxBoy Schlechter_Fuchs at yahoo.com
Horo
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Join Date: 05.26.2004
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Clever to use a photograph with an overcast sky. There is no need of shadows without direct light and shadows are the most difficult thing to get right. Fox is right about the fur. This is another very tricky thing to get right.
04.25.2008 06:00 Online Horo h.-r.h.wernli at bluewin.ch https://www.horo.ch/
rashadcarter1
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I think it looks amazing. Horo is right in that the overcast sky evens out the shadows in almost all directions softeneing them drastically. I think the fur is not easy to remedy but the effect as is pleases me. There is a slight issue of apparent scale, these horses seem quite large compared to the nearby vegetation. Still, very good work!
04.25.2008 06:55 Offline rashadcarter1 rashadcarter1 at aol.com
Render Man
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Join Date: 11.10.2007
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Foxboy it most certainly is a photo but I wished I could do work this nice.

You are all right about the fur. Rashad you mentioned from one of my other horse scenes to try using the more bump in the materials lab but alas I forgot to try it.

The overcast sky did help in many ways but also made for a dull picture. I still need to learn more about painting in photoshop as I wanted to have more mud on the legs of the horses. In this picture on the 2d face I had the ambient on 100% along with full diffusion. I am sure there are some tricks to making these pictures come to life. One thing that seemed to help was to use put the blue dot in the first column in the ambient channel I am not sure how this all works yet but can see the affect.

The other thing I noticed was the hair on the manes could have been blowing in the wind. I think you can make some adjustments on the this hair in Daz.

Thanks for you comments. Next time I try horses I will try increasing the bump on the hair to see if there is much difference.
04.25.2008 12:08 Offline Render Man alreich_4 at msn.com
Horo
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Ah - the size issue. I didn't notice until Rashad ponted it out. But less because of the vegetation but rather for the cart tracks on the road.

A picture with an overcast sky is always a bit flat because it lacks shadows. You could use either radials or spots to light the picture. If it is far enough away, the light won't interfere with the objects, the horses in this case. You could then decrease ambient and will probably get a higher contrast backdrop. But you mustn't overdo it because it looks quite natural as it is.
04.25.2008 12:46 Online Horo h.-r.h.wernli at bluewin.ch https://www.horo.ch/
Render Man
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Leave it to Rashad to notice the size of my horses in comparison to the vegetation. Ha Good observation as it is very true.

Horo,

I tired some lights but had them to close to the 2d face but you are right if I had to much light the picture washes it out even more. I decided to delete the extra lights and just use the sun.
04.25.2008 21:19 Offline Render Man alreich_4 at msn.com
FoxBoy
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U just figured they were really large horses.
04.26.2008 03:45 Offline FoxBoy Schlechter_Fuchs at yahoo.com
richter
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A beautiful photo this is, I'm really tempted to visit this part of the world, RenderMan. Now, for the composition...

1. Deformations - The left back leg of the horse from the left bends in some wrong deformation. As if the horsey has been cut there. I know character rigging can be very hard and tedious but one should be careful with deformations.

2. Fur - As yourself I'd love to see the manes be blowned in the wind, but as I've never used Daz, I can't be of much help here. The bump on fur sounds strange but go ahead and try it, who knows what will the result look like. What I can suggest is to put a really small amount of bump on the horse's body and adjust its strength in relation to the lighting.

3. Lightin' - if you're not tired of me being all the time a critical story-teller :) I can continue. You used an overcast photo, but the horses appear to be lit by a fairly strong light source casting deep dark shadows, which is obviously not correct. I think the link between the horses and the photo has to be the use of IBL. But how can one use ibl without distorting the already adjusted background? Well, render an ibl lit scene with only the horses present against a bright gray-to-white background. You have plenty of hdr probes to choose from, Horo has excellent examples on his website. The only hard work will be to match a light color and intensity. Avoid too dark places on the horses and shadowbandning. In Photoshop in separate layers add the photo and for the horses' final render use the Magic Wand tool (that's why you render against one color as bckgr) to select->cut-paste only them over the photo layer.

4. Mud on the legs/body - you sure surprised me there, you really want to create something stunning and real. Well in addition to the horse layer, made another one on top and with the appropriate color and hard-edged brush paint over those places where you think mud/dirt shoud be. Then recopy the same painted layer one more time, choose for the 1st "Overlay" (default is "Normal") as option and for the 2nd one "Multiply" Finally experiment with different opacity percentage of both layers. In a short while you should be having some nice results.

Sorry to keep you reading all of this, but I'd really like to help where there's enough enthusiasm for creation.
04.26.2008 15:51 Offline richter richter at cold-may.com
Render Man
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richter,

Don't worry about saying to much. I appreciate not only the critique but also an explanation of how to improve.

I am still working on the Sedan trying to bring more detail out on the car body. I will try to re-post this horse scene with your suggestions and see how close I can get to making it more convincing.

I have already downloaded all of the HDRI's from Horo's website and plus I have some others that I converted with the HDRIshop.

I already tried the bump on the fur or what is called coat and did not see any great results. I am not sure if the Daz horse has an option to add bump to the body the only selection I can find is called "coat".

I noticed later that I did have two radial lights in the scene which could have caused the light to be to strong on the horses. I will try step 3 on this.

I have copied you comments and printed them out for future reference.

Yes if you like the picture in this scene do a search on Scenic Sties in Utah and you will see some very nice scenery. I just went hiking today and took some great pictures jut two miles from my home. Horo has inspired me to get my camera out and use it.
04.27.2008 03:06 Offline Render Man alreich_4 at msn.com


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