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GWYDION16

18.04.2024, 16:54

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Wine and cake

Wine and cake
Description:	Using "living-night1_amx9-corr-wb.hdr" from Horo (thank you!) just as a backdrop to provide the reflections. Lighting is provided by five radial lights, a couple in the candle flames and one behind the camera cast shadows, and two "fill" lights hover around the cake - but don't cast shadows. The "wall" has a photo of my bathroom wallpaper on it. And the table is also a photo which has been mapped onto a terrain to give the mat a bit of depth. No fancy effects on the render, just standard AA too about 10 minutes. The wine bottle and wine glasses, candles, fork, plate and cork screw (which does not look like it would work) were models from DAZ. I made the cake and the cork in wings3D (the cake you will recognise already as well as the wallpaper and the place mat from "slice of cake" and "humbugs" respectively). Hmn... I suppose it should be a slice of cheese with red wine?
Added by:	davidbrinnen
Keywords:	davidbrinnen, bryce6.1, IBL, hdr, Horo, cake, wine
Date:	06.25.2007 16:56
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Downloads:	89
Rating:	4.85 (7 Vote(s))
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spektyr
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Join Date: 07.02.2005
Comments: 1010

That's it! I've had enough! Now your giving me a fork to eat the cake with and wine to wash it down? I think I'll just stab myself in the head with that corkscrew and be one with it! LOL

The look of the bottle and glasses is phenomenal! The lighting really enhances the realism.

We have another winner folks! 5/5

06.25.2007 17:53

GWYDION16
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Join Date: 04.06.2004
Comments: 99

THAT IS IT

I have had enough daid and i think i have furgued it out you are not human! that had to be is i thing you have some strange power to take a real image and wave your had and put that real image on the computer. i feel io can just grad the cake ( opps crums fell. the dog will get ti ) eat it and drink the wine with spekytr but some one did not put out engough for 2 how rude DAVID.

i give this one again 5/5 amater infact i will david a /5/ now, in the past, and in the furture becasue you are so darn good ok dame good

my question is when makeing i pic like this you use the little preview window but i am sure it take a long time to renderin that little window but how do you deturmen it the pic is how you want it with out renderiing the hole darn pic. me when i am makeing a complexed lighted pic i try and lean away from the 10.17.10.10 render times or even 1.17.17.25 times also can you sugest somthing for us all and jsut so you know i am running a amd 64x2 5200 4 gigs ram duel 512 video card and 1tb of space on duel screens i want to post fine art like yous but the time it takes to render are some time to bearing to take and should i use multi computers.

os yes and the cake was good ( only if i had any because spekytr ate it all ) if someone would share.

lol

06.25.2007 18:20

davidbrinnen
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Join Date: 01.03.2004
Comments: 2224

Thanks! I'll do more cake shall I? Still not tired of cake yet then?

Having a fast computer helps. I use a 3.4 Pentium 4 Prescott processor and have 2 gb of ram along with a pair of raptors set to raid 0. My graphics card is 128 mb but it is broken and does not report colours correctly through one of it's cannels - which adds a level of challenge to the process I could do without.

When I began using bryce I needed to let every scene render out. Now, because I use materials who's responses are known, on a scale where I can anticipate the way the lights are going to function, I can build scenes more swiftly without the need to resort to much rendering. Clearly it would be daft to suggest that I work without rendering, but generally, only a few passes are needed to assess the lighting and how the materials are suiting their environment. For detailed work on the materials, I often work in an almost empty scene except for the object (and the lighting I am using) then apply a material to it and set it up there and then copy it into the main scene once I'm happy.

Being familiar with one or two different approaches helps. If you look through my past images you will see that I freqently borrow from one scene to another, this has the advantage that much of what needs to be set up is done. Building up a catalogue of previous scenes that can be easily accessed it vital to this process, particularly if you intend to work commercially. I have about 200gb of scenes on this machine and a further archive on another computer and further back for optical storage. I don't delete anything, partial scenes can be very useful for planning out a new project.

Hope that helps.

06.25.2007 19:00

Horo
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Join Date: 05.26.2004
Comments: 4721

Yes, definitely, cheese, dried meat and rye bread would very nicely go with with that St. Etienne, served at not more than 15?C. I'd love it. As for a cake - if it must be wine - I would go for a white wine: Ermitage or Petite Arvine (r?colte tardive preferably), even a Blanc du D?le, all of them can be quite sweet (even though I prefer dry wines). Of course this setup cannot be improved upon, even though the cork is a bit weak and the corkscrew would only work on a cork that does not sit too tight, and a 5/5 is earned only because there is no higher rating.

How about doing a slice of Emmentaler chees? But not only the holes, I mean the cheese around it. But then, I know people calling cheese "spoiled milk". Man, everything is phantastic: candle stand, flame, glasses.

The blue reflection on the bottle, by the way, is from my stereo set. Queer feeling, writing this and sitting in the very room that is reflected in the bottle - and at the same angle, besides.

The kind of reflections you can get from an HDRI is probably worth more than the light itself. It is a small detail but enhances a scene considerably, making it more plausible than just a blurred bright spot as we know it from specularity.

06.25.2007 20:17

icecreamman
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Join Date: 05.18.2007
Comments: 130

Wow. My only reccomendations would be on the materials. They aren't quite realistic. Mainly I'm speaking of the cork and candle flames. Also the shadows on the plate cast by the fork and cake seem a little screwy somehow... I'm also a little curious as to why you put two wine glassess but only one slice of cake. Anyway It looks pretty good and I like the composition. I'd give you a 4.89/5... There's just a few things I don't quite like.

06.25.2007 20:18

GWYDION16
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Join Date: 04.06.2004
Comments: 99

icecreamman

i thing thie is a couple shareing it the cakemust be expensive and thay can only afford one pice but one bottle of wine lol

06.25.2007 20:55

icecreamman
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Join Date: 05.18.2007
Comments: 130

Haha Nightst4r is going to have to make a "Foods" category just for you!

06.25.2007 21:23

GWYDION16
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Join Date: 04.06.2004
Comments: 99

LOL

FOOD DID SOMEONE SAY FOOD I LIKE FOOD LOL

06.25.2007 22:23

rashadcarter1
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Join Date: 06.04.2006
Comments: 2610

Love it. No complaints. The hdr as background reflection only works very well. How do you do that without the probe light affecting the scene with it's light information? And while on the subject, the ability to use photos as background is something almost every other program offers but bryce has never been trully good at it, until your recent developments of course.

I really like the fact that this was done using radial lights and not hdr. I love hdr but I also feel that almost the same effects can be drawn by using carefully placed and balanced secondary lighting, as you have done here. Some secondaries cast shadows but others don't. The combo works very well. The bottle looks amazing and the wine glasses too. The only thing I might complain about is that the table mat looks a bit odd. Maybe it's just a bit low in resolution to fit the reality of the rest of the scene, but the quibble is so very minor. Having worked in restaurants my whole miserable life I feel the wine opener needs a bit wider of a spiral or it will not grab the cork sufficiently, again a petty quibble.
Wonderful, excellent, tempting, and all bryce rendered. I like the added touch of complexity.

06.25.2007 23:26

gat
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Join Date: 12.21.2006
Comments: 667

As everything was already said above, I will add only this. The materials is what really strikes me as the most realistic part of this image, I mean just look at the reflections in whine glasses its perfect, and just how did you get that blurry reflection on the bottle without using premium render?
However, there is one thing you overlooked by not using hdri as a source of light, like the actual light that is in the room! If you look at the reflection on both the whine glass and the bottle you can see that the walls are white and blue. Also, the room is not as bright as what we see, the candles could not have given off that much light.
But thats minor, so 5/5 here!!!

06.25.2007 23:50

davidbrinnen
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Join Date: 01.03.2004
Comments: 2224

Thanks. Yes, you have picked out a good selection of things that could be improved upon and I don't disagree. For the corkscrew I used DAZ's model and was suspicious it would not work either - but I was keen to get everything together and see how it looked and what worked and what did not. The wine bottle material and the wine glasses turned out better than I imagined. The blurred reflection is from the hdr background which is itself blurry. To use the background without interference from the hdr light set HDRI effect to 0. The intensity of the background can then be controlled indipendant of any increase in lighting. Yes, the table mat is just a photo draped over a terrain, it was OK for the humbugs but at this scale it is starting to show it's rough edges.

06.26.2007 08:47

tina gazcon
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Join Date: 08.07.2006
Comments: 254

Beautiful!!!!

What more can I possibly add? Just beautiful David. 5er for sure.

06.26.2007 12:21

Titus88
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Join Date: 05.04.2004
Comments: 24

Awsome

I have not Been on in a Long time on this website and I come back and David Still I think the Best!!!!

06.26.2007 16:52

richter
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Join Date: 04.15.2004
Comments: 1092

Well, it's hard to add anything more for a comment but lets see :) Light - superb, you're still improving and improving, reflections - great work there and good choice for hdr to this scene. I haven't got the chance to comment on the cake baking premiere. Exceptional work there - everything - from the models to the materials. The material lighting response is full 5/5. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned something about the shadows in scene. Though the bottle and the glasses are fairly near to the wall I'd still expect some very subtle but yet obvious softening of the shadows by the edges there. And what else? Nothing, David! Your image is great. I like it very much. Hope I'm just no too late with my comment ;)

06.27.2007 10:05

davidbrinnen
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Join Date: 01.03.2004
Comments: 2224

Thanks. I'd like to feel I'm getting better, but really I think it is the IBL that is doing most of the work, of course bit by bit I'm figuring out ways of using it - and particularly - ways to use it efficently. With each image there are unanticipated problems and victories and until the final render is done and someone is kind enough to point out things that initially I overlooked, it is sometimes hard to determine what is learned. In this case, the wine glasses and the bottle were the suprise sucessess, the cake a little too angular and the less said about the corkscrew the better. Now I'm thinking cheese thanks to Horo... but work beckons and I don't think I'll have chance to indulge myself for a while yet.

06.27.2007 21:43

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